http://cfis.savagexi.com en-us 40 Charlie Savage's Blog <p>I can&#8217;t figure out where James never said that the enterprise would never use Ruby. He only talked about current state of thinking. It seems as if he is also asking for help from the community to change it. What am I missing?</p> Wed, 22 Mar 2006 04:29:00 -0700 urn:uuid:c92af21e-df24-4f2d-ab8d-f3015090d2fe http://cfis.savagexi.com/2006/03/22/my-thoughts-on-the-ruby-enterprise-debate#comment-42 <p>Hi Roger, thanks for the comment and good point. Unfortunately, the participants in the discussion seem to be talking past each other so I&#8217;m not sure anything constructive will come out of the whole exercise. I think James has valid points on the current state of affairs, like you say, and the difficulty in getting any new language adopted in an Enterprise. However, he also brought up various technical considerations, some valid and some not, but some of which raised the hackles of the community thereby changing the tone of the conversation for the worse. Sadly, there doesn&#8217;t seem to be much cooperation or learning taking place.</p> Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:40:07 -0700 urn:uuid:99948388-3e7c-490a-acf1-dba51864bbc4 http://cfis.savagexi.com/2006/03/22/my-thoughts-on-the-ruby-enterprise-debate#comment-70 <p>Unfortunately, James apparently has been editing his posts quite a lot, without marking the changes&#8230; so it&#8217;s very hard to know what he has said and then gone back and changed (the comments are quite revealing), although I noticed at least a half-dozen major edits that removed some of the more technically inaccurate things.</p> <p>The way he has handled this is pretty sleazy, in my opinion. Wouldn&#8217;t the appropriate thing to do be saying, &#8220;UPDATE: I was wrong about the instance variables and regular expressions&#8230;&#8221;</p> Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:37:13 -0700 urn:uuid:c009b530-7578-4fc5-8e1d-dc602b9bb52d http://cfis.savagexi.com/2006/03/22/my-thoughts-on-the-ruby-enterprise-debate#comment-69 I think I have discovered a predictor of enterprise adoption and its correlation to the maturity of a community that I wanted to share... Sat, 25 Mar 2006 05:11:51 -0700 urn:uuid:8bb4673f-d8c0-4386-a5c5-231d0cf727b4 http://cfis.savagexi.com/2006/03/22/my-thoughts-on-the-ruby-enterprise-debate#trackback-5 I have been noodling several things said by David Heinemeier Hansson and James Robertson who are co-Presidents of my fan club and their interesting outsider looking in perspectives on the enterprise. Felt it was not only important to respond to th... Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:06:17 -0600 urn:uuid:292e128a-7e97-4c29-b8df-32f21464b5f7 http://cfis.savagexi.com/2006/03/22/my-thoughts-on-the-ruby-enterprise-debate#trackback-6 <p>Would love your thoughts on this blog: <a href="http://enterprisearchitect.typepad.com/ea/2006/04/enterprise_arch.html" rel="nofollow">http://enterprisearchitect.typepad.com/ea/2006/04/enterprise_arch.html</a></p> Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:57:35 -0600 urn:uuid:d55ddd9e-9bfe-4de8-946d-2999307cecb8 http://cfis.savagexi.com/2006/03/22/my-thoughts-on-the-ruby-enterprise-debate#comment-90 <p>Yeah I think that traditionally Java wasn&#8217;t really enterprisey&#8211;when it first began, because of speed, but look at it now! woo-hoo! I can only imagine the same thing happening for scripted languages [even those with hard to write VM&#8217;s, like Ruby] in the coming years.</p> Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:27:42 -0600 urn:uuid:5070c641-5af7-4531-9b13-2f9baecc7ef4 http://cfis.savagexi.com/2006/03/22/my-thoughts-on-the-ruby-enterprise-debate#comment-25447